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Yes, kiddies, Male Nudes are on DeviantArt, despite the odd penchant of Admin to delete-at-random should a penis appear even slightly erect! In fact, well endowed penises tend to get deleted as well. Why? I have asked the same question...and answered thus: 1. maybe not-so-well-endowed male "members" of Admin don't want the word to get out that penises exist in super-jumbo-gargantuan-erect-looking sizes. Gawd forbid the female tribe learn this!! -- or perhaps -- 2. If it is erect, he has to be "aroused" and thus makes it pornography. Oh please....folks, not ALL erections are sexual in nature. Men: speak up here! I for one wish to make it known that erect penis images are ART as well...and if the viewer judges their own reaction as "musta been porn, I got a woodie/wet spot..." - then who is to say? I, for one, do a lot of male nudes, very erotic stuff, not one hard-on (well, only one...hehe...they haven't discovered it yet...LOL!), and I do not in my wildest dreams think of MY ART AS PORNOGRAPHY!!!! NO WAY! It is art. It is the beauty I see in my husband's form. It is partially the way I love him, the way I MAKE LOVE TO HIM....

So: what do you think? Should erection imagery really be banned en masse on DA? And what's wrong with the viewer being aroused by viewing nudes, male or female? Sheesh -- we are HUMAN ANIMALS -- we have Gawd-given sex drives -- we respond to visual stimulation -- thank Gawd we respond! And HEY! What about women with HARD NIPPLES???? Huh? Does it mean they are sexually aroused if their nipples are erect? Talk about double standards here...

FOLKS: SEX is good. Showing erotic sensual images of human bodies is good. If the ARTIST creates an image that incorporates the nude form in ANY phase, who are we to judge it as right or wrong? (that is Art v. Porn)....

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:iconmatthew-lane:
matthew-lane Featured By Owner Nov 19, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Hahahahahahaha.

Oh man, its good to laugh sometimes.... An honestly this, this was incredibly funny.
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Javonmoore Featured By Owner Dec 7, 2011
I agree... thats why I've created a magazine that showcases images of any kind without prejudice of erotic art. If any one would like to contribute..... I would be more than merry to take a look and then see where we can go from there! email javon.MOOREmag[at]Gmail.com if interested!

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Javonmoore Featured By Owner Dec 7, 2011
Here's a perfect example! this video represents me, Javon Moore a model creating MOOREmag. "Masturbation is my definition of creation. Creating MOOREmag took a lot out of me, literally"

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mahensa Featured By Owner Feb 14, 2011   Photographer
nothing wrong with posting image of your erect penis! it is art
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greggo4sure Featured By Owner Jun 17, 2010
I couldn't agree with you more. I've long wondered where to draw the line between pornography and art. I've seen pictures in, for instance, MANDATE and PLAYGUY that looked pretty artistic, some of which included erections and some of which did not. And if we look to fiction, there are plenty of works considered literature (rather than pornography) that concentrate largely on the arena of sex. Maybe there should be arbitrary lines drawn that apply both to male and female models that are not allowed to be accessed by minors, just to keep the government out of DA's business. Thanks for bringing this up, no pun intended.
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LunaKitty2006 Featured By Owner Jun 19, 2009  Professional Digital Artist
I totally agree with you. I draw nude anime males, and most of the time they have erections. I draw them for the sake of art. Yes, male erections don't just come from arousal, and yes, nipples don't always harden when pleasure is felt (temperature causes it sometimes). If hard female nipples are allowed, then erections should be too. Really, I'd love to post my art of nude men on this site.
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Jon-Marc Featured By Owner Aug 24, 2008
Sorry to be late joining in. Erections are definitely not all caused by sexual arousal. They happen any time any where and for reasons unknown. Mine can happen when I am frustrated. Why is that? Not logical, but is it a fact. Other times they just come up. They can last for a few seconds or linger for minutes or sometimes hours.
I believe you are right when you say everyone is different because I doubt this happens the same for all males.
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Mad-K Featured By Owner Mar 5, 2008   Photographer
I am so glad you said it. Without erections most of us would not be here!

Erections are treated as taboo almost everywhere and automatically considered pornography. The erect penis is as much a part of the male body as the vagina is part of the female body.

Art is Art. An opinion on a piece of art is only that.......an opinion. Somebody somewhere has refused the male body to be shown in all its beauty just because it is their opinion that it is not appropriate. The sooner we stop making an issue of the erect penis and other basic sexual matters the sooner we will all get over it and wonder what the fuss was all about. For crying out loud, Grow Up!!

Are erect to nipples banned too, because they are a sign that the female may be aroused? Sexual Discrimination needs to be stamped out!! Nonetheless, I suppose society at large is slowly coming to realise that the male body has as much to offer as the female body does, with the emphasis on slowly!

We all must learn to lose our insecurities about the basics of what it is to be human and love us for exactly what we are and not for what society wants us to be!

Take care now.
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bluediamonds84 Featured By Owner Feb 15, 2008
i've always though that DA's views on the differences b/w their policies on male and female anatomy is biased, that will never change, although my art site of choice did. theres a great gallery for the 18+ crowd thats EXCLUSIVLEY for male themed art in direct response to DA's unfair handling of the pics here.

Females can be doing anything except blatent sex and its fine, males on the other hand are hardly accepted at all, especially if their dick is hanging out. Sorry, but it should be handled like boobs. its there, its a body ornament. get over it XD
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ThornyEnglishRose Featured By Owner Jan 23, 2008  Hobbyist Writer
I'm sure you know that not being allowed to show erect penises is not exclusive to dA. They can't be shown on any TV show/movie/magazine/art exhibition (there was an exhibition a few years back of male nudes, and any with erect penises had stickers slapped over them) that doesn't explicitly call itself hardcore porn.

Is that right? Hell no! Erect penises are the one thing not allowed - but there are no rules about not showing any part of a woman (true you don't see a lot of images of clitorises around unless you go looking, but I did see some on a documentary about body piercing, so there's clearly no rule against it).

I can't see dA coming around to the idea until the rest of the world does. And I do think it should.
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RockstarVanity Featured By Owner Sep 30, 2007   Photographer
No-one at dA is saying that images showing a male erection aren't art, just that they aren't permitted on this site due to laws in the country where the site is hosted. It's the same as erected penises not being shown on tv. It's not a dA thing, it's a law thing.

And as for 'random' deletion, it isn't so random. The artistic nude gallery here is HUGE, and as much as the gallery directors do their best to keep up with monitoring what's posted in it, they do also rely on other people to report policy violations. Some images just don't get seen and reported, therefore they pass by undeleted. This isn't any sort of prejudice or vicimisation, it's just a numbers game and people doing their best to do their job (or to uphold the duties of their voluntary position, rather) but only being human and not being able to keep up with thousands of submissions a day.

No-one is recruiting underage users to search out policy violations - we can ALL do that. Anyone and everyone can submit a report, and we are all encouraged to do our bit to keep dA a good place to browse. There's no conspiracy here.
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EvilAZNSaturnPBear Featured By Owner Sep 27, 2007  Hobbyist General Artist
Ok. Also as a male, I do know that erections do not necessarily mean arousal et all sex. As with wet dreams or just a random tenting during the day, they can happen at most anytime with little or no reason whatsoever. They can happen in moments of extreme joy or excitement (though with lack of sexual cause).

I find it funny. I don't see a naked person, erotica or not, "hott" or "lusty" unless would be looking for it. Its not just the penis or vagina or whatever as the focus of the picture, but the whole form and representation.

If one does, why continue to force something one hates upon oneself? Shall they be labeled "masochistic"? Logic deems it so.

As with all art, if it is "obscene" or "undesireable", one need not look any longer. Should the item be stapled to one's forehead, one is fully enabled to rip it from their visage and cast it to the depths in a flurry of flames and tears.
But here is no such thing. So one is not entitled to it.

Opinions, opinions...
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ice-angel-eyes Featured By Owner Sep 26, 2007  Hobbyist Photographer
Just thought I'd have a yell, BLATANT SEXISM!!! I luf your art, it is beautiful in all ways, and I for one am very anti porn (i find that it falls into the wrong hands so easily and objectifys it's subjects). And I have never once been offended by your art.
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gr8shiva Featured By Owner Feb 15, 2008
You are the sweetest. :hug:
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webfoe Featured By Owner Sep 25, 2007
It's a penis not a gun folks...here if you don't like it let us show you our big guns.

"Political power comes from the barrel of gun"...Mao

Ponder that one all you smaller minds than the one in my penis;)

:peace::earth::horns:
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gr8shiva Featured By Owner Sep 23, 2007
Am I the only one or do others find it extremely interesting that some folks have chosen to chastise me right out of the gate for the shameless crime of "self-promotion" in my NEWS article, rather than say a friendly hello, welcome, hi how are yuh...
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gr8shiva Featured By Owner Sep 23, 2007
Hmm, I replied to two different comments (in three posts) and they are not here. I REALLY hope this is not another case of FUCKING RANDOM CENSORSHIP!!!!!!!

It took me about three hours to compose those responses, you know....
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gr8shiva Featured By Owner Sep 23, 2007
OK- found em....whew! :faint:
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FractalEuphoria Featured By Owner Sep 23, 2007  Hobbyist Digital Artist
the news are not for self promotion:roll:
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gr8shiva Featured By Owner Sep 23, 2007
OMyF-ingGD: they have a NEWS POLICE now ,too? :lmao: :rofl:

With all respect due you, dear, why not just say my little rant pissed you off, huh? Passive-aggressive swipes (i.e. somewhat indirect often sarcastic swipes at someone over trivial "safe" issues that mask what you really are angry at them for- usually something that is too uncomfortable or embarrassing for you to deal with openly and directly and without manipulation).

So- sorry- not taking this bait, hun. I got way bigger fish to gut here. (Gotta ask, tho: at the end of your comment you have a little advert to
"Buy my art here [link]"???? Irony as Art, perhaps? LOL! Or maybe, Hypocracy-Is-Art-Too?)

TOO FUNNY, huh?! :giggle:

WOOHOO: I have 8 whole thumbs down! I have been officially REJECTED! Yeah! How fucking brilliant is that on my very first article?! :boogie: Cool. So, NOW I know for sure this issue has a nerve worth janglin a bit more...

Hey, really, though, I am really NOT holier-than-thou -- I have lots of flaws myself, of course -- actually, I am mostly about consensus and harmony and getting along and being fair and kind to everyone. I don't like rocking the boat - it just seems to be a calling on issues that affect humans rights to live, love and create! So, folks, you can take stabs at me and dislike me for what I create and/or write. But I will not dislike you --- EVER...

You will also find it very difficult to piss me off, actually, cuz I know that whatever responses I receive are not about me, not personally. They are about you- about who is reacting and responding to the issues raised. In fact, your responses are such dead give-aways to your psychological make up and stability!

And hell yeah: self promotion IS NEWS here on DA, right? It's our bloody way of life here, yeah? Of course it is! If you feel you are good- why not self promote? Hell, yeah - so come take a gander at my oh-so-nasty -and-shameful little gallery and be aroused, shocked and offended -- then go run and report my half-mast hard-ons to the ART POLICE and watch my work get shot down, one by one, deleted, ne'er to be heard from again...HA! Doesn't matter to me one damned bit anymore. I have a different purpose here. You see, I am not here for YOU- I am not here for anyone's approval, praise or compliments. I am not here for frame or money. I am here FOR ME and for MY ART. I seek nothing other than to put my beautiful creations out into the aether with all the sincerity, honesty, genuine regard and love in my heart for any of you who might happen to view what I have made. If folks connect with it -- cool. I love them. If folks hate it- also fine, I love them too! I cannot judge others and
their work with the same values most people here and in the world use to gauge their existence.

I try to exist beyond this illusion of opposites and dualism, sweethearts...and if you happen to find your way here, too, I will greet you with open arms, hug you and shake your hand in welcome and show you the same hospitality once shown me when first I "emerged" from the "Matrix."

LOL!

(I am damned happy and I take very seriously these attempts to spread the vibe around. I have found the secret to happiness in this life, darlings, after many many tortures and trials. I have found the center, the balance, the voice and the vision: and you know what? The answer is so simple, when I tell people what it is, they roll their eyes and look at me as if I must be mad...(the fools).

:highfive:

Everyone should experience bliss: be it that runaway passion when in the throes of true honest creativity, the best Lasagna you ever tasted, a primo LSD trip on the "old stuff," or frequent reliable multiple orgasms...so says Tim Leary...hahahaha!

My dear little ones: where the fuck have your senses of humor gone? Where have your energies been drained to? And by what? Why do you allow yourselves to be coerced into touting someone else's judgements and standards? Where have your voices gone, my poor dears? Why have you given up your amazing freedom? I say to you now: do not get caught up in the Rat Race out there. It is not real. It is an illusion, a social CONSTRUCT that WE did NOT make: and it is powerfully persuasive -- it seeks conformity and is designed to sap your connection to your life force and to others who might lead you "astray." It holds you back from love fun truth happiness creativity gratification and individuality. . JUST LIKE THE CENSORSHIP that appears to be on the rise here on DA: someone else's values have leaked into this sacred little corner of ours! It silently and insidiously initiates the naive and uninformed to its ranks. It forcibly molds and ignites the gullible to march only to its singular beat: forcing norms and values that are, in my considerable opinion, ANTI-ART! Sad. So very very sad... Life doesn't have to be so desolate. Life is NOT desolate! My dearest souls: HERE IS THE REAL NEWS OF THE DAY: >>--->OUR JOBS AS HUMAN BEINGS IS BUT ONE: TO SEEK OUT HAPPINESS, PLEASURE, TRUTH AND LOVE -- TO EXPERIENCE COMMUNITY AND A TRUE AND GENUINE CONNECTION WITH OTHER HUMANS<-- -<<

It's about LOVE, folks...

When we love, when we feel real love, not liking someone a lot, not lust, not warm regard or friendship and concern...but
real total unconditional unselfish LOVE: there is an very unique and powerful energy about us that permeates everything. THAT, my dears, is the LIFE SOURCE FORCE...

It is up to each of us to learn how to use it...

So, take those damned sticks out of your asses and unzip those tight clothes -- let that hair down and come on over and join us in that which is our bloody birthright...gawd damnit!

WE ALL DESERVE MORE THAT THIS.

My Motto in Life: "Go With the Flow..."

(aka: follow the path of least resistance!)
If trying too hard to achieve something becomes a real drag and takes your life energy and diverts it to somewhere that is NOT YOU in the least...THAT is your cue to take another road. I'm not saying give up when the going gets rough. No! Just learn to discern when it is time for you to stop resisting the gravity that pulls you to another new level. You will know when you are on your right path when you feel the thrill and happiness that comes with being in harmony with yourself!

OK -- Sermon over. :giggle: I say all of this with all of the love I have, hoping that those of you who may have been snagged by the negative crap that runs fluid in our world might catch a glimmer of hope from my sincere giving of energy...

(I really am not full of myself, honeys. I just wish so much for everyone the same level of happiness I have found...)

:hug: :community: :hug:

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Love Light Peace Truth Happiness Health Fun Good Sex Creativity and Bliss to you ALL!

~Shiva~
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:iconfractaleuphoria:
FractalEuphoria Featured By Owner Sep 24, 2007  Hobbyist Digital Artist
the little comment is in my signature. that's a completely different thing.
If you had actually read the news FAQ,you would see that the news section is not for promoting your own work:roll:
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gr8shiva Featured By Owner Sep 24, 2007
Hello there. Nice to meet you. My name is ~Shiva~, what's yours? I'm a photographer and editor and musician and singer, writer mom and sex fiend. You?

I did read the FAQs. My shameless self promotion was only because the examples of what the article talks about is IN MY GALLERY. Sheesh. You folks are more interested in policing others' behaviors and jumping on them when you get the chance than being civil, kind and welcoming to new folks. That is sad...

And I do not get how promoting oneself in the sig file is ANY different that in the body of the text, except for the placement. It all gets read that same way...so please, let us stop splitting hairs here. BTW, NOBODY from DA admin has pounced on me like you folks have. Perhaps you will leave them to their job and you go do yours, whatever that may be.

We are supposed to be a copacetic community of artists exploring our talents, skills, getting support and advice and BEING THERE FOR EACH OTHER. Funny, tho, whenever I venture into other areas of DA (like writing this article or joining the forum) I find people very intolerant, judgmental, hostile and rude.

So, I am done here for now. OK? Let us put this silly issue to bed as well...

Night night....:sleep:
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FractalEuphoria Featured By Owner Sep 24, 2007  Hobbyist Digital Artist
it is different because the sig isn't in the article or anything? it's your own little space that appears below your comments:roll:
and btw,I haven't pounced you,I just pointed out one little thing for you.
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gr8shiva Featured By Owner Sep 26, 2007
I wasn't referring to you with "pouncing" metaphor. But still, you guys certainly didn't waste any time in reprimanding me. Why focus on that? Comment on the article. Let DA worry about rule violations. Eh? YOU are not their policeperson, are you?

:shrug:
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FractalEuphoria Featured By Owner Sep 26, 2007  Hobbyist Digital Artist
:roll:
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Artheeria Featured By Owner Sep 23, 2007
I have to agree with you. There is a mature content filter, it's in use and it works. Why should the rest of us be "punished" so to speak because of a few people? Censorship, of any kind, I fiercely oppose.

No one can really classify porn or art to anyone but themselves. If they don't wanna see it, they don't have to look at it. Same with everything else. I think the admins are being too picky here. *shakes head*
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WrongState Featured By Owner Sep 22, 2007  Hobbyist Photographer
I actually dont' think the world is ready to see the male nude in that manner yet, the whole debate over the differance between the aroused male versus female, well yes I agree there shouldn't be censorship as far as that is concerned, but DA thinks otherwise, yeah I've had a few photos pulled cause I looked to close to erect status or I was touching myself in a none sexual manner. BUT it seems okay for women to have things or fingers inside themselves. SO DA is biased, simply put.
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gr8shiva Featured By Owner Sep 23, 2007
Agree agree agree 98%...

The lone 2% that disagrees: I think that "the world" is ready to begin to see erect penises as art when artists begin producing these images unashamedly.

Never will ALL the world accept anything 100%. Sexual imagery as art is a mine field: many people were taught in their families that sex is unclean, only done if married, improper if indulged in, shameful, loose, basically unnecessary outside of procreation, a "base" and "animal" instinct of a "lower" nature...whatever. But MANY MANY people DO INDEED see nudes, including erect male members and hard nipples and glistening Vulva, as ART - if an artist has produced it, that is.

And therein lies the rub (forgive the pun) -- who creates the image? Is it an artist creating an erotic image because they are inspired? Is it Art if the film maker who is creating a documentary about Prostitution includes the image of one of the male customers erections? Is it Art when the Pornographer makes a cheap video of a man and woman having sex, with close ups of erections and vaginas in the act of sexual intercourse, and who daily ships dozens of these low budget poorly lit and badly filmed and acted 60-minute fuck videos to people around the world who like to watch these images and masturbate to them, and they care not about quality and/or artistic content?

Does it mean that the image is necessarily categorized as ART if the artist or cinematographer creates it in high quaility? And, conversely, is it considered Porn if the pornographer created it for profit as cheaply as possible without intention of representing his creation as Art in any way?

Interesting questions arise here, don't they?

Well, as I have said before: I understand the concept of needed censorship on DA. What bugs me is not that DA has the policy, but that it is inconsistent, using people to "troll" for works that may or may not violate policy; and, finally, that the artists are NEVER informed of a deletion ahead of time -- we are never told why our work violates policy and we are never given the chance to either correct the piece or delete it ourselves. Simple as that. OK, get it now?

:hug: to you all...

~Shiva~
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Tepara Featured By Owner Sep 22, 2007  Hobbyist Photographer
First "come look at the rest of my gallery" You arnt allowed to do that. You cant self promote your art in news :aww:

This is DA its Artists nude not semi porn.
I fully support Artists nude. If the model is "good" They wont be turned on at a photo-shoot. Artists nude does mean getting a boner. There should be more control in the photo-shoot.
It has been one of the rules since day one. You knew the rules when you joined and so did everyone else.
if you or anyone else didn't like them. Then why join!
Admin do not just delete them for the hell of it you know. They also don't just delete cause of a "slight" erection ..
You are reading into this far more then needed. Making something out of nothing.
The rules are there for a reason.
Like it or not. DA does not allowed "semi porn" shots. Like it or not that's how it is. If you don't like it. That's your problem no need to try and make it everyone else's problems.

And yeah you asked for those shots to be deleted by adding them in here..
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gr8shiva Featured By Owner Sep 23, 2007
UH OH, those NEWS POLICE rookies are buzzing us again...LOL!

This post is just too good to pass up, gang. I'll respond to it in sections so I don't miss anything....teehee! :giggle:

Tepara wrote:
"First "come look at the rest of my gallery" You arnt allowed to do that. You cant self promote your art in news :aww: "

>>Hmm, someone else said that earlier, too. Uhh, well, "T," to you I say the same thing: what about your SIG FILE? Is that not self-promotion? Also, My gallery IS THE NEWS, sweetheart. I shoot MALE NUDES. The article is on, yes, MALE NUDES. ...sheesh...

"T" Wrote:
"This is DA its Artists nude not semi porn.
I fully support Artists nude. If the model is "good" They wont be turned on at a photo-shoot. "

Whoa whoa whoa there, just one little minute here: if the model is "GOOD?" What defines "good?" They are pretty? Handsome? Can stand still for 5 minutes? Can dress? Can emote? Can move well? Don't get hot when they are naked in front of a hot photographer and the fans are blowing their long hair across their breasts and the lights are just warm enough and they had a fight with their partner last week and have not had sex in twice that long and they are really attracted to one of the crew members who keeps staring at her smiling...

She NEVER gets aroused during a NUDE shoot on Sepulveda Blvd at dusk and every car stops and honks and the crowd that has gathered to watch behind the railings sometimes emits compliments of a sexual nature, sometimes from really hot men, and the male model is a little erect, and is hung, and even though he mostly likes guys, he digs her and she knows it...and the photographer works without much direction to the models...and that leaves an awful lot of space for a creative and naked person to think within...

C'mon! What an absurd statement. The model is NOT good if they feel aroused? They are naked fer chrys sakes...I don't care how professionbal they are, how many years they've been doing this, how GODD they are considered to be, how many photographers would say they never see that model "aroused," THEY WILL INDEED SOMETIMES GET AROUSED!@!

Artists nude does mean getting a boner. There should be more control in the photo-shoot.
It has been one of the rules since day one. You knew the rules when you joined and so did everyone else.
if you or anyone else didn't like them. Then why join!
Admin do not just delete them for the hell of it you know. They also don't just delete cause of a "slight" erection ..
You are reading into this far more then needed. Making something out of nothing.
The rules are there for a reason.
Like it or not. DA does not allowed "semi porn" shots. Like it or not that's how it is. If you don't like it. That's your problem no need to try and make it everyone else's problems.

And yeah you asked for those shots to be deleted by adding them in here..

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gr8shiva Featured By Owner Sep 23, 2007
I wonder why we are allowed to self promote in our signatures here and not in the body of the text???
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gr8shiva Featured By Owner Sep 23, 2007
CORRECTION:

"Actually, I have a brain injury..."
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gr8shiva Featured By Owner Sep 23, 2007
...oops, had to do this in two:

"T" writes:
"Artists nude does mean getting a boner. There should be more control in the photo-shoot.
It has been one of the rules since day one."

>>OK, (1) did you just say Artistic Nudes DO have erections? I'm confused. (2) How EXACTLY does one "control" a shoot so a man does not get an erection? Chastity devices? Leather straps? Are you saying that a male model "should" be able to control themselves? So, if the shoot is NOT including erections, he should not get hard? And if it does include erection shots, he CAN get hard? Does he get fired if he gets an erection? I mean, really!

I doubt a guy would get hard doing a generic shoot - at least most men I know wouldn't. HOWEVER, does the male model get labeled a "BAD MODEL" if he per chance sports a woodie for a minute or two cuz he has to pee?????

Last: (3) "from day one." When is this "day one?" Is this the "day one" when photo shoots were born and the GrandMaster Photographer carved the RULES OF THE SHOOT tablets that he then placed in the sacred camera bag? Or: is this the "day one" of DA rules, stating that male nudes cannot sport a hard on? If the latter, I don't think I have read that one yet...of course, my "day one" is probably a lot later than yours, so maybe they changed that rule? Gee, I just don't know...

"T" writes: "
"You knew the rules when you joined and so did everyone else.
if you or anyone else didn't like them. Then why join!"

Question: are you using the Royal "you" or the personal "you" in your first sentence there? If referring to the personal ME: are you saying you know what I knew when I joined DA? Impressive, I must say... If the former, then even more impressive! You know what everyone who joins DA knows. How lucky you are....

"T" writes:
"Admin do not just delete them for the hell of it you know. They also don't just delete cause of a "slight" erection .."

Actually, as I have written in another response just a little while ago, it is indeed confirmed that the randomness in choice of deletions for alleged policy violation can only be characterized as random. How can a piece be in someone's gallery for TWO YEARS and suddenly be deleted for violation? How can a photograph of a male rear end showing no genitalia nor sexual content whatsoever be deleted because a 15 year old member "found" the piece, reported it, and magically it was gone within 12 hours?

This is happening, folks.

"T" writes:
"You are reading into this far more then needed. Making something out of nothing.
The rules are there for a reason.
Like it or not."

So, you feel I am blowing this out of proportion, huh?
And you seem to be saying that the issue of unfair censorship on an ART site is "nothing." Sounds like you feel I should like it or lump it, huh? I wonder what exactly is the "reason"
for the censorship policy? I think I would like to find that out...

"T" writes:
"DA does not allowed "semi porn" shots. Like it or not that's how it is."

Yes, and I do understand that. But here is my question: HOW IS ART DEFINED FROM PORNOGRAPHY AND PORN FROM ART when the model is male or female nude? Is it considered Pornographic if the image arouses some people? Is it considered ART if the quality is high and the image well shot, even if the model is holding a Dildo half into her vagina and licking her fingers? THIS is the issue, sweetie, not whether or not I understand the rules.

"T" continues:
"If you don't like it. That's your problem no need to try and make it everyone else's problems."

Ah, the literary shove and slap. My dear, I will say the same thing many have said during this debate: if this is becoming your problem, don't read it, don't respond to it, don't come here. This PROBLEM is everyone's. Where will it stop? Will we soon find our work deleted just because one person reports to admin that they are offended by the image, even though it does NOT violate policy? Can an offended straight man report a "gay" image as offensive and get it deleted? Can a Gay man report an image of female genetalia as offensive and get it deleted even though the model is benignly sitting with her legs open slightly? WHERE DOES IT END????


"T" continues:
"And yeah you asked for those shots to be deleted by adding them in here.."

Hmm, the parting shot...

Yup, I sure did "ask" for it, cuz you know what I know, right?

I do think that many folks on DA have these general uninformed opinions, and chant their cheers for DA policy. After all, it is THERE TO PROTECT US, RIGHT? AND LET US THANK GAWD THAT WE ARE CARED FOR IN SUCH A MANNER --HEAVENS, WHAT WOULD THAT POOR POOR CATHOLIC WOMAN'S FAMILY DO IF HER MALE DOCTOR HAD NOT STERILIZED HER AFTER THE BIRTH OF HER 9TH HEALTHY CHILD WHEN SHE TURNED 25, EVEN THOUGH SHE DID NOT CONSENT TO THE PROCEDURE, HER HUSBAND DID, AND HE MADE THE DOCTOR AGREE NOT TO TELL HER...

Here is "T's" SIG:
"--
(\/)
( . .)
(>(")(")
A single moment of understanding,
can flood a whole life with meaning.:hug:
Founder of *Black-White-Club & *Just-Sepia-Club
"My Prints" ^PurpelBlur stole my :heart:"

Aw, that is lovely. I especially like the LINK to PRINTS FOR SALE...

:smile:

So, as I said, this is definitely a volatile issue. I think those of us who have the energy to continue to bring g it up in posts and NEWS items like this, play a very important role in attempting to EDUCATE DA members on the issue. That is the logical first step, don't you think?

Tepara, thank you so much for your thoughtful comments. I respect people who speak their minds!

:hug:

~Shiva~
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Tepara Featured By Owner Sep 23, 2007  Hobbyist Photographer
No the siggy is different.
And as I mentioned. a Good model although may get turned on. Should be able to control it.
Look around if others can there is no reason why the models you have cant either.
And what are you 5?? copy and pasting everything I say. You got alzheimer's and cant remember what was said, so you gotta post it all over again.
Please don't spam me like that.

As already mentioned. This is DA if you don't like the rules set. The one that were there before you joined. The ones you should have read. The ones you agreed to when you joined DA.
Then don't let the door hit your arse on the way out. Its just that simple.
Snapshots of someones arse tits or dick is not art. they are snapshots..
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gr8shiva Featured By Owner Sep 23, 2007
Actually, I am about have a brain injury from 1994 and yes, I do need to paste responses to stay on track. I guess you do indeed know everything I know...

"Spam?" Um, those are your words. Do you think them spam?

"Snapshots?" Where? I wanna see!

Seriously, I am not against you in any way. I understand your point completely and actually agree with you in some areas. My issue with you is that you seem to be attacking me instead of addressing the issue. I have not violated policy on DA since the first two days I was here in January. And then, it was for other-than-sexual content.

As for my model and his arousal level: the WHOLE purpose of my work is to record his beauty, his arousal, his transformation, and OUR LOVE. He is my only male model. I do not take "snapshots" of his dick, nor would he encourage me to. I am an artist of the truest sense. Maybe you should go look at my work before you blindly judge it. I am actually quite good, considering I have only been doing this for about 1 1/2 yrs.

So: let's not argue here, OK? It is really a waste of energy for us both. You are entitled to your opinion as am I. Let's respect each other's positions.

BTW, I joined DA in late January. To date, I have over 39,000 page views and I have won two international competitions in portraiture category with images of my daughter, also in my gallery. Just thought maybe knowing you are speaking with someone REAL might help to defuse what appears to be a lot of anger from you...

:wave:
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Tepara Featured By Owner Sep 24, 2007  Hobbyist Photographer
I have looked at your art.. That is why I say its only Snapshots.
The shots of the child are nice.. But your nude ones are not.. everyone who posts a pick of a dick or tits gets PV's that does by any means mean you are any good. It means there are a lot of pervs :P
But if you are happy with what you do good for you.
But as already stated. You joined DA knowing what images can and cant be submitted to DA. Its your own fault..
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gr8shiva Featured By Owner Sep 24, 2007
Thanks for looking at my work. So, not your cup of tea the nudes, huh? Well, that's fine. Yes, the portraits of my daughter get better and better with each shoot we do.

Perhaps it will help you to know that what I am doing here (what the bigger picture is in terms of my work) is chronicling my relationship with my husband, who is a very unique man. I do not care if you think I am no good as a photographer. That is not my mission to gather fans and approval. My mission, my goal is to make a beautiful record as artistically as I am capable, of each month, year and hopefully decade of this very unique and out-of-the-ordinary relationship we have. It really doens't phase me one way or the other when someone tries to insult my work by deeming it the lesser "snapshot." To me, it is art. To others who enjoy it, it is art. SURE, it is arousing. GOOD! That is healthy. But to judge that only "pervs" as you put it view my site is ridiculous, and quite inaccurate.

Many of my pieces ARE good. You know it, too. And I think that pisses you off even more that there IS talent under all of this...

In any case, I do what I do and I will continue to. I also do not have a problem with DA deleting my pieces. They have taken only 3-4 in the 8 months I have been here. And all but one was deemed a Policy violation due to anything remotely sexual.

Got a parting question for you: MANY of my shots reveal as much or less than women models who can be viewed in the latest Vogue. Why is it you judge my work which features a beautiful male, and not the women in Cosmo with their tits hanging out?

OK- done for the eve. I do respect your point of view, although I disagree with it even more so now. I think you are indeed aroused by these images and that scares you or makes you feel out of control or whatever. Like that Senator said: I don't know how to define porn, but I know it when I see it...

...or does he know it when he is effected by it? Do you?

Night night now. Oh, and I accept the blame you so repetitiously point out that I bring on whatever by posting my work. Fine....so be it. :target:

Have a good sleep now...
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Tepara Featured By Owner Sep 24, 2007  Hobbyist Photographer
lmao how very interesting.. damn you post a novel every time :yawn:
Anyways no sorry I don't like your nude art. Not because its a male. If you have looked though my favs you would see I have many nude males in my favs. I have also suggested a lot of male artist nude for DD's ( one or two of them getting a DD )
You ask why I'm not commenting about the female images. They are also they are also "snapshots" Not all of them though :aww:
But your news wasn't about that was it. It was about the male nude. So that is and only that was a talking about :)

Thank you so much for making me laugh.. Your snapshots turn me on? lmao.. I have to laugh at that so much, cause if anything they make me feel sick.
As you mentioned They are only shots of your partner. Not a model. he may have been playing the model for you. But the snapshots are merely bedroom fun. A little foreplay. Which is why hes turned on. Artist nude aren't meant to be photos to turn someone on, which is what you seem to fail to see. That's what porn is for. It seems you yourself don't know the difference between Artist nude and porn. Maybe you need to think about it a little :) .. This is an art site.
Also damn enough with the writing a small novel. Just get to the point. Just about fall asleep reading it all.
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timmy64 Featured By Owner Sep 22, 2007  Hobbyist Artist
Okay, first, admins do not go on "random" deletion sprees. They delete what deviations violate policy.

Second, I speak as a MALE when I say that erections are sexual in nature. Hard nipples can be caused do to cold. An erection can not.
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gr8shiva Featured By Owner Sep 23, 2007
Thanks so much fro your perspective. I appreciate your contribution very very much. So, erection is sexual for you. I do know of men who say it is not always. So...everyone is different. Cool. I wonder if you understand what many women feels when their nipples get hard? Cold. Sure. But the sensation of them hardening is, well, arousing. I also know a guy who gets hard when he is cold -- so, again, we are all different. And that is very wonderful.

Regarding the "deletion spree" allusion: I have witnessed and am also privy to documentation of such. I am also informed, reliably, that someone in DA admin is now soliciting help from MINORS (yes, under 18 members!) to troll for allegedly inappropriate works.

I was outraged upon learning the latter.

I accept that the policy on DA is as it is. I am not complaining here. I am simply trying to open this issue to debate and get some brain cells working on the issue. I do think DA goes overboard with their censorship policy- or "non-policy." If I were to repost (here) the several pieces that have been deleted from my gallery, you would undoubtedly frown, scratch your head, and ask immediately why they were deleted. No genitalia visible. No overt sexual content. Just a beautiful male rear end that looks like a female's and is dressed as such. See what I mean?

Actually, my REAL issue with DA Policy is: 1. it is inconsistent and, yes, quite random; and 2. I feel strongly that BEFORE deletion, admin should contact the artist and let them know WHAT the violation is and give the artist a chance to either delete the piece THEMSELVES or edit. Discovering a piece you slaved over and love has been suddenly and inexplicably yanked from your PAID GALLERY, is, in my and many others opinions, rude, insensitive, inappropriate, violates boundaries and suggests more of an oppressive power differential present here on DA than anyone is aware.

In any case, again, I appreciate your comments.



:clap:
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timmy64 Featured By Owner Sep 24, 2007  Hobbyist Artist
2. I feel strongly that BEFORE deletion, admin should contact the artist and let them know WHAT the violation is and give the artist a chance to either delete the piece THEMSELVES or edit

They're dealing with legalities there. If the piece is pornographic and not accompanied by proper documentation, it is illegal to be hosted in the US. And the law states that an erection is sexual. Not dA alone.
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gr8shiva Featured By Owner Sep 24, 2007
Thanks for the info. MUCH appreciated. You know, we are not talking about a full blown hard on here. We're talking about somewhat larger-than-average penises that may look more erect than not. Every dick is different. And they are also not in a static state. So...my issue is that they are beautiful and can be an artistic image in ANY state.

But here again: what determines whether a piece is pornographic or not? Just the erection? C'mon...

And what is this "proper documentation?" I don't know anything about porn, so...perhaps you can educate us a bit?

Thanks again for your contributions to this debate!

:hug:
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timmy64 Featured By Owner Sep 24, 2007  Hobbyist Artist
The proper documentation includes things such as the name, birthdate and proof of identity of the model(s) and a certification from a government body that anyone displayed in a pornographic manner is over 18 and consenting. The site hosting such images must be restricted to an over 18 audience. And I don't see that as a direction deviantART is going to take at any point in time.
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gr8shiva Featured By Owner Sep 26, 2007
Thanks so much for the info. Is this the same for every state?
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timmy64 Featured By Owner Sep 26, 2007  Hobbyist Artist
I do believe that it is federal law, not state law.
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WrongState Featured By Owner Sep 23, 2007  Hobbyist Photographer
THey do though, I've seen photos that clearly violate the TOA, and those that don't, and just randomly they'll delete if anyone says anything, I had one deleted cause my face was too close to the womans vagina, and I thought 4 inches was enough. but I've seen better photographers do photos and having their women spread wide open, fingers placed in areas that are sexual in nature, and have nothing happen to those photos.... so yeah random happens here, along with being biased
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timmy64 Featured By Owner Sep 23, 2007  Hobbyist Artist
Each violation is investigated on a case by case basis. Remember they are investigated by different people at different times.
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WrongState Featured By Owner Sep 23, 2007  Hobbyist Photographer
Oh this I know, I've posted some photos that were borderline and almost expected them to be kicked off, and some I didn't even think were close. But hey, DA is just one of many venues to post photos too...
OH and that is one funny comment.. regards the "flower power nipples"
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timmy64 Featured By Owner Sep 23, 2007  Hobbyist Artist
:lol: It was a response to something I said on the forums asa bit of a jab at a photo I took for breast cancer awareness in which I taped daisies to my nipples :giggle:
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gr8shiva Featured By Owner Sep 23, 2007
Ooo, I'd like to see that! LOL.

In response to an earlier message of yours: I was told by one of the admin here that they are simply not able to fully investigate every policy violation report, so sometimes they do just delete to err on the side of caution. To me, that is way over the line.

More concerning to me is that the artists are not informed BEFORE their work is deleted. I feel very strongly that if we've violated policy, they should TELL US, and let US delete or edit, you know? I know that would fix it for me...

~shiva~
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